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Hi all , So i am asking for a friend who loves Rotties as much as me except she only loves rotties and had adored the breed from when she was young (her love started when a Rottie saved her life when she was young).

The thing is she has no dog experience and she has spent the last 2yrs (were in the UK) getting to know everyone in the world of rotties especially here in the UK and finding out who the good breeders are who breed for good temperments and good health and the good breeders have told her there not for a newbie and that she needs to own a easier breed first to gain experience and i told her to go for labs as there a great starting point but she only adores rotties and no other breed makes her happy like the rottie and she has no issue with starting with a lab to gain experience but she said she feels guilty getting a breed she doesnt love.

I told her she will be fine as even if you dont love labs you will love your individual lab and then after him you can get your first Rottie and stay with the breed you love.

Wanted your thoughts on this?

Before anyone suggests doimg voulenteer work at rescues or day care ect shes unable to do this its private why she cant the closet thing she could do to gain experience without owning another dog first would be to be a puppy raiser for guide dogs.

She wants to get just a Rottie so she has nothing to compare to and the only experience will be with Rotties.

Can it be possible for it to work with a Rottie and a first time owner?

She was going to spend the next couple of years being around rotties at shows , on rottie walks and learn as much as possible about the breed and work with a good trainer from the beginning to help her raise her first dog and she is committed to working hard and getting it right for him and for the breed.
 

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I agree... a Rottweiler is not a good breed as a first dog. They can be pushy, and dominant and need training...and are very smart...not a good combination for a person that has never owned a dog before. Does your friend know horses? or has ridden before?? I have found that 'horse people' do well with Rottweilers.
If your friend could find a nice, layed back mature Rottweiler to adopt...that is another way to get to know the breed. With a mature dog, you know what you are going to get...and with some hands on help from a trainer...it could make a wonderful pet/companion.
Being a puppy raiser for guide dogs is no easy feat. They expect the puppy raiser to do lots of training and socialization up to about a year. That may just give your friend enough experience to raise her own Rottweiler puppy??
 

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I asked on a Lab forum ive been on since i got my first lab to see there opinion too and interesting replys.

This is one of them

" I wouldn't say a well bred Rottie is any more difficult than a Labrador. Labradors are responsible for many more bites than Rotties, ok, so they are a much more numerous dog overall, but any dog is capable of biting, and there are a lot of poorly bred Labradors out there, so it can be a bit of a lottery when it comes to temperament.

Yes, Rotties are a guarding breed, but then Labradors and any other breed are capable of resource guarding, and that can lead to a dog that has the propensity to bite if pushed.

The only difficult breeds I'd think of are some of the older breeds, such as Basenji, the Akita breeds, and possibly dogs like the presa canario etc, which are pretty much bred for a poor temperament in comparison to other breeds"
 

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There is a big difference in a well bred Lab and a well bred Rottweiler. Cannot compare the two breeds to being even close. Labs are retriever...they should have 'soft mouths' to carry game birds...their bite strength is not nearly as strong as a Rottweiler. Labs also usually do well with other breeds of dogs, both male and female. Rottweilers tend to be same sex aggressive, and don't do well with unknown dogs.
There is also a big difference between a Rottweiler guarding your home and being suspicious of people near your home, then a Lab guarding a bone, or a toy or ball. Let's face it, there is a reason that Labs are the number #1 breed in North America. They are happy, friendly dogs that make good family pets/companions. They will most often show a robber where the silver is and bring them a ball to throw....a well bred Rottweiler will not.

Are there Labs with poor temperaments that are nasty and bite?? sure! On the whole there is a reason why Labs are the top breed. I wish Rottweilers were not as popular. Right now they are slipping in popularity and it's good. Every decade seems to have the "bad ass" dogs. It was the Doberman, then Pitbulls, then Rottweilers and now it seems Cane Corso and Presas. When they fall into the wrong hands...that's when the trouble starts.
 
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We have our first Rottweiler puppy at the moment and it's definitely a bit different to the other dogs we have experience with. Did plenty of reading before getting him but I think you really do need previous experience to make the best of this important job.

could it be done as a first dog? - yes it could and it would depend on the skills and qualities of the owner.

Is it a good idea to try it that way? - I'd say it's worth starting elsewhere to be honest.
 

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Im on a UK based Rottie facebook group and every reply was that it can be done and some including a behaviorist said that labs are not starter breeds at all.

Every dog can be both difficult and easy depending on the owner.

A lot agreed that it would be a bad idea to get a dog she doesnt want and i heard from a few saying that there first dog was a Rottie and they were fine but only because they had a good breeder who helped them and a good behaviorist to be there from day one to help them.

They all said that since shes going to be around rotties for a few years before getting one and that as shes commited to doing the work she'll be fine.

After the advice shes getting a Rottie as there all she wants.

I agree labs are not a starter breed , i think people get misinformed that labs are so easy when tgere not my first 2 were not what i woukd call easy at all but my last one was easy because id had a few by then so knew what i was doing and she is commited to learning and getting it right and like one said we all started somewere.
 

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I had a mixed breed larger size dog as my first dog and I did that dog a dis-service because when I got my Rottie girl the mixed breed dog was no longer mom's dog, she was the Rottie's dog... Summer had her own play dog and poor Pandora missed out on being the only child dog and not nearly as cherished as Summer my first Rottie. That is my experience, but I agree with BBD, I'm also a horse owner and as a horse owner you learn the imperative importance of training and not letting a large powerful animal get the best of you.
The biggest reason Pandora couldn't cut it was I had a bad experience when a larger 14 y.o. neighbor kid didn't want me telling his parents he and his siblings were chasing a horse around in a field with their mini-bike and bicycles and he pushed me against the garage as I tried to knock on the front door. Pandora didn't do a thing, just stayed by my side. I don't know what I would have done if a male neighbor across the street hadn't come along and chided the kid who was pushing me around. I'll tell you what, none of my Rottweilers would have stood for that happening to me. Of course, the presence of a Rottie is all you really need anyway... but that is one of the reasons I got my first Rottie... that and my last horse was attacked by two pit bulls while out riding. I only had that horse a week, fresh from the racetrack and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to stop him running on pavement if I ran him away from the dogs (pavement is very slippery) and it was a really horrible situation. I had to let him dump me and run home alone... where on the way home he did slip and fall, so I was happy I wasn't on him. (A vet tech friend who ended up becoming a vet, when I asked her what kind of dog could take on two pit bulls? -- said "A Rotttweiler can take on 5 pit bulls." --ha, yeah, right....I still chuckle when I think of her response.) So I looked at Rotties - 40 years ago I had to look high and low to find a breeder.... and then I fell in love with their looks. Bottom line is I wanted a protection dog. I have never looked back, it's my favorite breed. I have never needed them to protect me though... although they do scare people just by their presence and maybe they have kept me safe without realizing it.
 

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Im on a UK based Rottie facebook group and every reply was that it can be done and some including a behaviorist said that labs are not starter breeds at all.

Every dog can be both difficult and easy depending on the owner.

A lot agreed that it would be a bad idea to get a dog she doesnt want and i heard from a few saying that there first dog was a Rottie and they were fine but only because they had a good breeder who helped them and a good behaviorist to be there from day one to help them.

They all said that since shes going to be around rotties for a few years before getting one and that as shes commited to doing the work she'll be fine.

After the advice shes getting a Rottie as there all she wants.

I agree labs are not a starter breed , i think people get misinformed that labs are so easy when tgere not my first 2 were not what i woukd call easy at all but my last one was easy because id had a few by then so knew what i was doing and she is commited to learning and getting it right and like one said we all started somewere.
Experienced owner or not, raising a puppy Rottweiler into adulthood will never be easy. They are a very smart, pushy, testing breed. They are their own breed and you cant compare them to another, or think you have had it hard with another breed, so it will be fine. I had a Dogue de Borderux a few years back. He was a rescue and we got him at about 11months old. He had no socialisation with people or other dogs and was very dominant at a very young age. At 9months he got into a fight in his Foster home with their 5yr old male Dogue and badly injured it. He was freakishly big for a Dogue and weighed 78kg when mature. I had to put a hell of alot of work into him, but in the end he was great with all dogs. He always was hugely protective and didn't do well with strangers but was soppy as hell with people he knew. All this being said, Rottweilers are hard work. I've always had my Rotts from pups and have always trained and socialised them from day one so have not had the issues I had with my Dogue. However they are hard work in other ways. Mine have also been very physical. Bumping, barging, mouthing while young and are very strong and fast/agile for their size. On top of that, they are very clever. Mine have pushed and tested like no other dog I've had. You have to make sure they are exercised well and mentally challenged daily. Just my experience, but they can be very hard work as pups/young adults and give them an inch and they'll take a mile. You have to be on your game with this breed. I find being firm but fair works best and be very loving and understanding with them works better than being forceful or dominant/alpha.
 

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I agree with DJ 86.... Comparing dogs and expecting a certain result is not a good start.. I have a GSD a husky and two rottweilers.. In the past I had pit bulls and Dobermans and I loveeeeee the Rottweiler breed but it is a different ball game altogether when it came to training them.. They are alot of work.. Alot!!.. And they are very intelligent.. In some ways they tend to know their owners quite well and know what to expect and what they can get away with.. Their size can also give them that advantage to be pushy and have their way so an owner needs to know from the start to lay down rules.. Stick to them and don't allow something today and disapprove tomorrow.. These dogs learn quickly and giving them mixed training will cause problems later on..
Good luck in whatever decision you make.. The advice you get here I'll add is excellent!!.. Something to take into consideration!!
 

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Wanted to update you all she has put a lot of thought into it and has thought about it realistically and after spending some time around Rotties she knows that as much as she loves the breed she is not right for them. She has after the Rottie walk she went on fell in love with another breed there that is easier than a Rottie and is more suitable for her in the Golden retriever.

When she was talking to some of the Rottie owners on the walk she realized she only wanted a Rottie for protection after what happened to her when she was young and a lot of the Rottie owners said its really not a good idea getting one in hope they protect you.

So shes decided a better idea is to get a breed that she suits and learn self defence.

Shes always been scared to be around strangers outside ( she only went on the Rottie walk because i went with her) and maybe having a true well bred good temperment Golden might help her overcome this fear and build her confidence
 

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Wanted to update you all she has put a lot of thought into it and has thought about it realistically and after spending some time around Rotties she knows that as much as she loves the breed she is not right for them. She has after the Rottie walk she went on fell in love with another breed there that is easier than a Rottie and is more suitable for her in the Golden retriever.

When she was talking to some of the Rottie owners on the walk she realized she only wanted a Rottie for protection after what happened to her when she was young and a lot of the Rottie owners said its really not a good idea getting one in hope they protect you.

So shes decided a better idea is to get a breed that she suits and learn self defence.

Shes always been scared to be around strangers outside ( she only went on the Rottie walk because i went with her) and maybe having a true well bred good temperment Golden might help her overcome this fear and build her confidence
Yes no point in taking a Rottweiler on if that's the only reason. Sounds like she needs to work on herself, bless her. I hope she regains her confidence again. Terrible how one horrible person can ruin someone's life like that
 

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Having a dog for companionship and protection is great yes.. But in these unfortunate circumstances taking on Rottweiler may not be the wisest.. Self Healing and time will definitely help your friend and self defense is also a great choice... A day at a time is all it takes.. Hope things get better soon🙂
 

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Wanted to update you all she has put a lot of thought into it and has thought about it realistically and after spending some time around Rotties she knows that as much as she loves the breed she is not right for them. She has after the Rottie walk she went on fell in love with another breed there that is easier than a Rottie and is more suitable for her in the Golden retriever.

When she was talking to some of the Rottie owners on the walk she realized she only wanted a Rottie for protection after what happened to her when she was young and a lot of the Rottie owners said its really not a good idea getting one in hope they protect you.

So shes decided a better idea is to get a breed that she suits and learn self defence.

Shes always been scared to be around strangers outside ( she only went on the Rottie walk because i went with her) and maybe having a true well bred good temperment Golden might help her overcome this fear and build her confidence
Sounds like a well thought out plan, I hope her new companion brings lots of happiness.
 

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Yes no point in taking a Rottweiler on if that's the only reason. Sounds like she needs to work on herself, bless her. I hope she regains her confidence again. Terrible how one horrible person can ruin someone's life like that
Thank you , when you takaway the protection bit then she said realistically a Golden retriever suits her so much more and she suits them and a Golden has everything else shes looking for in a dog.

Im glad shes made the right choice
 
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