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OFA: No better than a marketing tool for breeders?

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#1 ·
I am looking in earnest to buy a male Rottweiler puppy. I've posted as much under my bio also saying that my budget is in the $2,500 arena.

First, I have started to interview prospective veterinarians before I purchase a puppy. I also am in the process of putting together a “list of negative things” regarding breeders. For instance, if they haven’t, undertaken OFA for hips and elbows for their sire and dam, then I would outright automatically reject that breeder.

But both vets I interviewed yesterday told me that PennHIP was far superior to OFA certification, and, frankly, should be about the only one rising to the level to reject outright prospective breeders, which now would be a very narrow market from which to shop. One of them said OFA has grown into a money-hungry non-profit that has built certification upon certification that mainly serves to distinguish breeders artificially in the eyes of buyers. I searched the Internet and found similar commentary, especially when comparing PennHIP to OFA. Also I am getting a little putout with websites that promote themselves as special for having undertaken OFA, as if doing so has rendered their sire and dam inoculated which automatically extends into their puppies.

Okay, here, perhaps, the forum's focus will be to attack the credibility of the vets', whom, by the way I liked, and everything about their clinics. Instead, I would like to hear arguments for or against about what one of the vets said, "If all you have to go on for hips and elbows is OFA, then you really haven't got much." Also, the other said, "OFA and all of its certifications are no-better than a marketing tool for breeders."

I welcome your guidance. I'd also really like to hear from anyone out there in forum-land who has his or her dogs certified under PennHIP.
 
#2 ·
Yes, I agree with you. I have read many articles and regarding OFA . Did you know that hip dysplasia is a polygenic gene? Even if two parents are OFA their offspring can have hip dysplasia if one carries one gene and the other carries the missing two. OFA is a money making process to fill the pockets of the veterinarians and for the breeder to demand more money for their puppy. I took my dogs to an orthopedic specialist for dogs. We have one boy who was diagnosed with hip dysplasia at the age of three months and both parents were OFA certified. We had our other babies x-rayed when they were five months. One of our babies was only 9 weeks at the time and his films were sent up to Gainesville. Luckily they both had perfect hips. There are many things that make a Rottweiler pre-disposed to hip dysplasia. If you search the web you will find many interesting articles.
 
#6 ·
Ofa full of sh@t

Look nobody is saying to buy a dog from a backyard breeder. What I am saying is that you need to educate what hip dysplasia is and what causes it. If you want so spend your money on a dog that has parents tested then do so. I spoke to experts and it is just a money making scheme. I bought one puppy from OFA parents and he had hip dysplasia. My other two pups I purchased from a breeder who had a male and female that had puppies. My babies are 2 1/2 and I had their hips checked very early, one at five months and the other at 9 weeks. Neither one has a problem with their hips.
 
#8 ·
Hip Dysplasia is Polygenic

I don't care how many generations you check. Hip dysplasia us polygenic which means multiple genes are involved in the inheritance of the trait and both the sire and the dam must contribute one or more of the genes that cause the trait to appear in the offspring. Because a trait can skip generations it may be erratic in it's occurrence.
 
#9 ·
OFA is no guarantee that your dog won't have issues. You need to not only check the health clearances on OFA of the potential parents of the litter, but also littermates and other relatives of the dogs.

Rainy1956 - OFA doesn't give a rats a$$ about films done at 5 months and 9 weeks, and you can't either unless the dogs are having hip/leg issues. You can't go by what xrays look like that young - HUGE changes happen during the first two years of a dogs life. You cannot ever guarantee a puppy to be free of dysplasia...but a breeder CAN guarantee the sire and dam of the litter are free of HD or other issues, thus giving a little better chance that your puppy will not have these issues.

I, for one, will never base a purchase of a dog solely on OFA or any other health testing. That is one tiny piece of the puzzle. I want to see the titles the dogs have, their working ability, and if the bitch has had puppies previously, I want to see what those puppies have done in the show ring (conformation and performance). Obviously I want to see health clearances, but that's not the only part.
 
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I sedate my dogs to get OFA films because I want the best and most accurate diagnosis, meaning no muscle tension. I want just the way the bones fit.

I dislike Pennhip for many reasons one of them being NO public searchable database and the fact that Pennhip will not confirm a dog has been done

Cornell actually has the best method but they are not actively seeking to promote it because they have no wish to compete with OFA and Pennhip

Now hip evaluations are only as good as the data you are looking at
If stud dog a and brood bitch A both have wonderful hips rated excellent but they have no siblings, 1/2 sibs, cousins, aunts/uncles etc who are in the database just themselves and their parents and grandparents also with excellent hips etc this may be a pedigree with depth of clearances (front to back) and all passing and yet they are passing along a high level of hip dysplasia because you really have no clue what their actual genetics are. You justhave a strictly phenotypical evaluation and it means little and gets you no progress

HOWEVER stud dog B and brood bitch B may both have good hips or even good and fair hips. BUT many if not all of their siblings are OFA'd and are good-excellent. No fails. They have many many cousins, 1/2 sibs, aunts, uncles, etc who are also done and also good or excellent. THIS is a pedigree with both depth and breadth of clearances and THIS is how you make progress!

Rottweilers as a breed have made great progress in 30 years and the rate of HD is far less than it was and the rate of excellents also higher. More progress could be made though if all breeders stuck with following the second example rather than the first example