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Donna once I get where I show, one day I would like to breed my show dogs. This would not let me would it, would it?
 

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Not unless you have a 5,000 dollar kennel facilaty.This is something everyone needs to fight.The only people who will be allowed to sell any dog will be puppy mills,and dog brokers.


There will be no more small breeders or rescuse.I think this started out a good thing,but it leaves to much unsaid.AKC is the only Kennel club that is all for this.Why I don't know as there would be less people registering their dogs.


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I have a nice set up now for my dogs, but 5000 kennel facilaty? I know it cost alot to get great kennels up but good gosh.
 

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Donna, I don't see how they would have the man power to inspect thesmall breeders ,Didn't I read that you would have to have at least6 litters and produce 25 animals in a calander year ....you don't even produce that many do you ? I don't know of any GOOD breeders who do ! It amaze's me what our federal goverment does !!! It is a wasteful abuse of power ......
 

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That's what I was thinking, why would they want things like puppy mills pouring out pups, and not caring what kind of owner they had? I would seam to me that (small breeding kennels) would be better. People who Showed there Dogs, took the time to raise the puppys right and found them great homes. ( Just my thoughts)
 

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I think it started out as a good thing but the wording is so vage.Rescues place more then 25 dogs a year.What if you foster(you are now a broker).


I myself thought it was a good thing at first as I will never have 25 puppies in a year or even 3,but the way it's worded it could catch alot of people.


Say a rescue takes it tow pregnet dogs and a cat three big litters puts you way over that number.


Once you are registered as a breeder your life changes.No dogs in the house(they will be in the big kennel you have to build) and no furntiure in the kennel.


I will get the list that was sent to another group .this might help to understand why it is bad.


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This could be anyone of us.


You might need a USDA license if:

1) If you sell that stud fee puppy that just didn't
turn out the way you wanted-- guess what you are a
third party/ broker and you might need a USDA license.


2) You already bred 2 of your bitches and there are 17
puppies on the ground and registered. That darn bitch
you co-own just had 12 puppies ---- you might need a
USDA license.

3) If you are a handler and you come back from Crufts
with dogs purchased for your clients YOU might need a
USDA license.

4) If you are a handler and your clients bring their
litters to you to sell YOU might need a USDA license

5) If you are that breeder who had their handler sell
your puppies, your handler must turn you in and YOU
might need a USDA license

6) If you have great lines and want to sell your dogs
to another show/breeder (even part interest) YOU might
need a USDA license

7) If you don't alter your puppies before they leave
and one of your pet puppies is bred you just sold
breeding stock and YOU might need a USDA license

8) If “oops” you sell an Irish Wolfhound and his new
owner actually uses the breed to hunt You just sold a
hunting dog and YOU might need a USDA license

9) If you breed just one litter in a year, but decide
to sell one or two of your retired show dogs, YOU
might need a USDA license.

10) If your breeding partner, who co-owns all your
queen cats with you, breeds and raises more than three
litters in one year in her home and you do the same in
your home, YOU BOTH might need USDA licenses.

11) If your popular stud dog breeds five bitches
belonging to other breeders, on your premises, and
you, in turn, use him to breed just two of your
bitches, YOU might need a USDA license.

12) If you breed no more than one or two litters in a
year, but do some private rescue, fostering, and
placement on the side, for which you charge new owners
a modest fee just to help with expenses, YOU might
need a USDA license.

13) If you co-own seven or eight bitches, all close in
age, none living with you, but all are bred in one
year, YOU might need a USDA license, even if you breed
infrequently in your own home.

14) If you are a very small hobby breeder & you buy a
puppy from a breeder in CANADA (only a few miles from
your home in the US) you might need a USDA license!
15) If you rescue within the breed you show, and
somehow end up with more unaltered animals than the
law allows, you might need a USDA license.

16) If you think “it is not my problem, we should
regulate Puppy Mills”. . . YOU might need a USDA
license because DORIS DAY ANIMAL LEAGUE vs VENEMAN ANN
will be in Court again and this time DDAL will WIN!


OPPOSE PAWS! Stop It In Committee!!!!
 

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This is for rescue



RESCUERS: Think PAWS won't effect you because you don't breed? THINK
AGAIN!

1) If you charge an "adoption" fee for that Lab puppy you accepted
from an owner because you have someone who wants it? You are a third
party broker and you might need a USDA license.

2) You rescued two pregnant bitches and a regent cat and there are
now 17 puppies and 8 kittens at your house and you are placing them
responsibly as fast as you can and charging an adoption fee or
giving them away-- you might need a USDA license.

3) If you come back from a run with animals you "adopted" for
someone else from a shelter on your way -- You are a third party
broker and you might need a USDA license.

4) If you are a rescuer and your friends bring their litters to you
to find home for them and you charge an "adoption" fee -- YOU might
need a USDA license.

5) If you are a rescuer who asks your friends to help "adopt" out
your animals and charge an adoption fee and one of your "friends"
turns you in, espe! cially if you are over any local limit law,
health
codes or whatever -- YOU might need a USDA license.

6) If you have a wonderful rescue Siamese that another rescuer wants
to "adopt" and your charge her an adoption fee like you charge all
your adoptors -- YOU might need a USDA license

7) You adopted a 1 week puppy that had been abandoned by its mother
for another rescuer from the local shelter and you immediately take
it to the rescuer to bottle feed because you know they will alter it
when the time comes and OPPS! The rescue comes into a silent heat a
3 or 4 months of age before the rescuer could get it spayed and it
has puppies. You just sold breeding stock -- YOU might need a USDA
license.

8)Â If "oops" you place a Labrador and its new owner decides to hunt
with it, YOU just sold a hunting dog â?" YOU might need a USDA
license.

9) If you rescue and breed, even one litter in a year -- YOU might
nee! d a USDA license.

10) If you rescue a number of animals and charge adoptions fee for
them and your rescue partner, who shows her dog and breeds and
raises more than three litters in one year in her home -- YOU BOTH
might need USDA licenses.

11) If you have a private rescue and foster and place animals, for
which you charge an "adoption" fee to help with expenses â?" YOU
might
need a USDA license.

12) If you are a small private rescue and place more than 25 animals
a year for which you charge an adoption fee & you finally break down
and buy yourself that Poodle you have ALWAYS wanted from a breeder
in Canada (only a few miles from your home in the US) and a couple
of your friends ask you to bring them back a poodle pup too â?" YOU
might need a USDA license!

13) If you rescue and somehow end up with more unaltered animals
than the law allows â?" YOU might need a USDA license.

14) If you think "it is not! my problem, we should regulate Puppy
Mills". . . YOU might need a USDA license because DORIS DAY ANIMAL
LEAGUE vs VENEMAN ANN will be in Court again and the USDA will be
coming after YOU too!

AND, IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE COVERED BY THE AWA, HERE ARE A FEW
REQUIREMENTS, HAND PICKED TO CATCH YOUR ATTENTION ESPECIALLY IF YOU
KEEP RESCUES INSIDE YOUR HOME, THAT MIGHT HELP CONVINCE YOU
THAT "PAWS" CAN AND WILL HURT RESCUE:

(1) Interior surfaces, including floors and walls of indoor housing
facilities, and any other surfaces in contact with the animals, must
be impervious to moisture. The ceilings of indoor housing facilities
must be impervious to moisture or be replaceable, i.e., a suspended
ceiling with replaceable panels!
(2) All surfaces in contact with the dogs and cats to be readily
cleaned and sanitized in accordance with AWA, or be replaceable when
worn or soiled;

(3) Housekeeping of premises (building! s and grounds) must be kept
clean and in good repair in order to protect the animals from injury
and to facilitate the prescribed husbandry practices. . .
Does that sound like a lot of work? Don't worry, unless you only
rescue a small number of animals, you won't be alone, because you
will also be required to have a sufficient number of adequately
trained employees to maintain a professionally acceptable level of
husbandry practices as set forth in the AWA. Such practices shall be
under a supervisor who has a background in animal care. Oh, you
don't have a background in "animal care?" Too bad!

4) Drainage is another "fun" requirement -- a suitable sanitary
method shall be provided to eliminate rapidly, excess water from
indoor housing facilities. If drains are used, they shall be
properly constructed and kept in good repair to avoid foul odors and
installed so as to prevent any backup of sewage. The method of
drainage ! shall comply with applicable Federal, State, and local
laws
and regulations relating to pollution control or the protection of
the environment.

(5) In fact, EVERYTHING you do must comply with all applicable
Federal, State, and local laws and regulations relating to pollution
control or the protection of the environment. Are you keeping a few
too many animals? Well, that will just have to stop! Local laws
require separate drain if you have 3 or more animals, even if they
are hamsters, and rescue a bird that fell out of its nest too early?
Too bad! Time to hire a Contractor!

AND THERE 90+ MORE PAGES OF SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU TO COMPLY
WITH! Check them out at:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ac/cfr/9cfr3.html#3.2

OPPOSE PAWS! Stop It In Committee!!!!
 

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Wow Donna , they covered everything now didn't they !!! The goverment just can't let things be they have to ruin it for the good guys that our out there to help .....well where do I sign to stop this !
 

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I can see stoping puppy mills and for people who are not trying to better the breed. And I am sitting here wonering what they would have to say to me. I have found alot of dogs and cats homes in the last 2 years. So from what I read I would need one of there papers stating that I can. I don't charge for most of them but if I have to drive a good ways I do. So I get for what I read I would not beable to do this anymore. So how do we fight this Donna?
 

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In addition to responsible animal owners' telephone calls to the
Senate Agriculture committee's numbers and contacting their
representatives/senators, there is an online petition in opposition to
PAWS 2005 that responsible animal owners can (and have) signed.

The petition is located at www.petitionspot.com and is entitled "PAWS
2005 Opposition". Over 2,500 have signed, so far, with limited
promotion. The results will be made available to legislators at the
appropriate time, as reinforcement.


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CALL and voice your opposition to the Senate Agricultural Committee.
202-224-2035
When the person answers, say "I am calling to voice my opposition to S1139, the PAWS bill.
CALL and voice your opposition to the House Agricultural Committee
202-225-2171
When the person answers, say "I am calling to voice my opposition to HB2669, the PAWS bill.
After your phone calls, FAX this short letter to both these numbers:

202-224-1725
I OPPOSE S1139, the PAWS bill.
signed,
**your name**
Address, email, etc

202-225-0917
I OPPOSE HB2669, the PAWS bill.
Signed,
**your name**
Address, email, etc

Faxes count as LETTERS, and must be recorded. Each one. DO IT NOW.....
 

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If you need a position on PAWS, here is the info for you, as analyzed by an attorney for the Doberman Pinscher Club of America.

It's long. 50 something pages, but worth a read. This is important. Please take the time to read it. But not before bed. You won't sleep.

<A href="http://www.cyberdobes.com/PDF/AKC_and_PAWS.pdf" target=_blank eudora="autourl" target="_blank">http://www.cyberdobes.com/PDF/AKC_and_PAWS.pdf
</A>
 
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