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I've seen this thread for the past few days and I'm sorry no one is responding. I was hoping that someone replies to you before I write but as much as I want to give my thoughts, I don't have any experiences with the that specific breeder.
 

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Looks like a commercial breeder. So many litters being produced! Looks like a new litter being born every couple of weeks!. Not sure how that many puppies can be taken care of properly, and socialized,etc.?
 

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they have 19! females! wow. I personally wouldn't buy a rottweiler pup from a breeder with so many dogs. As big black dogs said - most likely (not always) it means a lack of socialisation at early stages and most likely all dogs live out doors which for me is a deal breaker.
In any case I usually suggest to visit the breeder and meet the dogs before, there is a chance that many of these dogs are co-owned and doesn't live with them (happens a lot).
 

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In the U.S. there are three states that have the most Rotties for rescue nearly all the time. Florida, Texas and California. I surf the rescueme.org site all the time and my thoughts on these types of breeders with too many dogs is I would avoid them like the plague to encourage them to downsize. They are contributing to the rescue problems. I would like to know the breeder my Fiona came from. It is in the Northern California area outside of San Francisco (possibly close to St Martin). She came to us so unsocialized it was like she was partially feral and no wonder she ended up in the pound twice in less than a year. If I knew their name I would gladly shout it from the rooftops. No dog should have come from a breeder like this. Incidentally I believe the breeder is responsible because they were the first to dump her in the pound, her adopters did the second time. Additionally, according to the information Bea the pet communicator gave us, Fiona had only been in 2 homes before we got her. So, yes, I hold that breeder responsible.
 

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Looks like a commercial breeder. So many litters being produced! Looks like a new litter being born every couple of weeks!. Not sure how that many puppies can be taken care of properly, and socialized,etc.?
They absolutely aren't. The puppy we bought has bit my 16 month old more then once along with my wife. I'm still working on training him and he is getting better with that.
A few weeks after we got him he was limping really bad so I took him to the vet. Our vet did x-rays which came back fine but he's concerned he has elbow dysplasia. I contacted the breeder to advise her of what's going on but she doesn't bother responding. I haven't received his AKC paperwork and again contacted her and no response. I was unable to find any reviews for her besides a BBB complaint but I want to ensure others are aware of this.
 

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I don't know how old your pup is, but that would scare me to death with a toddler. I really hope the training works. Was it before or after the limping started that he bit? Just curious if maybe he was in pain at the time.

I've never had a registered dog and quite a novice at reading contracts but I was looking at theirs it confuses me? I'm not sure if you bought pet quality or show quality - It first states that if you buy a pet quality pup It cannot be used for breeding unless, at the age of twenty-four months, it no longer has any disqualifying faults according to International or American standards and the difference in price is paid to breeder for a pet to show quality. AKC papers shall be furnished by breeder only after said animal has been rendered incapable of reproduction and was never bred.

So if you purchased as a pet does that mean you wont get the papers until he's fixed?

Then it states A pet quality is being sold because it already has a disqualifying fault therefore does not carry any guarantee, including Florida statute section 828.29 and no refunds are applicable. Only show/breedable quality carry the health & genetic portion guarantee according to this contract but the defect must be written on this contract & health certificate for the new owner to be aware of.

Does that basically mean your SOL if it's pet quality and develops ED/HD?

Sorry for so many questions - it just seems if you buy a 'pet' you have NO breeder support what so ever?
 

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I don't know how old your pup is, but that would scare me to death with a toddler. I really hope the training works. Was it before or after the limping started that he bit? Just curious if maybe he was in pain at the time.

I've never had a registered dog and quite a novice at reading contracts but I was looking at theirs it confuses me? I'm not sure if you bought pet quality or show quality - It first states that if you buy a pet quality pup It cannot be used for breeding unless, at the age of twenty-four months, it no longer has any disqualifying faults according to International or American standards and the difference in price is paid to breeder for a pet to show quality. AKC papers shall be furnished by breeder only after said animal has been rendered incapable of reproduction and was never bred.

So if you purchased as a pet does that mean you wont get the papers until he's fixed?

Then it states A pet quality is being sold because it already has a disqualifying fault therefore does not carry any guarantee, including Florida statute section 828.29 and no refunds are applicable. Only show/breedable quality carry the health & genetic portion guarantee according to this contract but the defect must be written on this contract & health certificate for the new owner to be aware of.

Does that basically mean your SOL if it's pet quality and develops ED/HD?

Sorry for so many questions - it just seems if you buy a 'pet' you have NO breeder support what so ever?
He first bit my son the 2nd day we had him, he was 12 weeks old when we got him. He's since done it two more times but he has gotten better. He is show quality however the breeder doesn't respond, period to any form of contact. I've tried calling, texting and emailing. She obviously isn't concerned if he has E/D or with anything else. It seems she just breeds and sells as many as she can.
 

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ma91780 did you ever hear back from the breeder? How's the pup doing?
Never received a response from her. He's doing ok. Still working on his temperament. Waiting a few more months to get his x-rays done again to see if there are problems. I can't say it enough, I wouldn't recommend this breeder. She breeds a lot of her dogs with other local breeders hopefully they really consider using a more responsible breeder as well.
 

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This is the Vonevman in central FL? such a bummer. We sent our binder in and are suppose to pick up a puppy next month but like you experienced, do not receive any contact from her:(
 

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Just an update pup has started limping again about 2 months ago. My vet tried anti inflammatory medications instead of having to do x rays again. After a month in a half I took him back and had x rays done. He advised he has elbow dysplasia. X rays were sent to LSU to confirm and was received yesterday. He has it in both elbows. He referred me to an Orthopedic surgeon, who I"m still waiting to hear from. The estimate I'm getting is 6 thousand dollars. I don't know what to do now. I paid a lot of money for him and never received his AKC paperwork. He was bought as show quality and now has this problem. There is also arthritis in both elbows (at 10 months old).
 

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So sorry to hear about your pup. Elbow dysplasia is nasty. Can you get the worse elbow fixed first? and then save enough for the second elbow?? I would let the breeder know what is going on. Did they have a guarantee? or was it the worthless guarantee that you must return the pup, and get a new one?? who wants another pup, after you have loved and raised it?? The slimey breeders know that you will not return the pup...and don't have to put out anything.

I would demand the registration papers from the breeder...give them a timeline...and then tell them you will be getting in touch with the AKC. The AKC can and will make trouble for the breeder if they are not giving registration papers. I would also see if you can make a report on the BBB, or some such website...so people can read about this breeder.

Hope your pup feels better soon.
 

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So sorry to hear about your pup. Elbow dysplasia is nasty. Can you get the worse elbow fixed first? and then save enough for the second elbow?? I would let the breeder know what is going on. Did they have a guarantee? or was it the worthless guarantee that you must return the pup, and get a new one?? who wants another pup, after you have loved and raised it?? The slimey breeders know that you will not return the pup...and don't have to put out anything.

I would demand the registration papers from the breeder...give them a timeline...and then tell them you will be getting in touch with the AKC. The AKC can and will make trouble for the breeder if they are not giving registration papers. I would also see if you can make a report on the BBB, or some such website...so people can read about this breeder.

Hope your pup feels better soon.

Thanks, doing the other elbow would only add 400 to the cost since he will already be under. Her contract states you can get another puppy at a price of 1,000. I have text and emailed about his papers but get no response in regards to it. She finally responded for the first time when texted that he will need surgery. She stated she never had a dog get this and that he just needs total canine ( a vitamin she sells) and it will fix it. Mean while I sent the radiologist report that clearly states he has elbow displasyia and fractures in both elbows. I contacted AKC a long time ago, they told me they couldn't do anything to her. It's a joke. Made a big mistake and thought I researched breeders enough. At least if I had one that cared. Oh and with her email she said have a great day. This whole experience has been horrible. This will probably be the last Rottweiler I ever own and possibly my last dog due to everything.
 

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I'm very sorry to hear about your predicament. Been there.... Care Credit is a good source for you if you can't afford surgery. They have no interest for a year. After a year it goes sky high.

Can you operate on a young dog that is still growing? That is my second thought... I would consult with another vet on that if this one wants to move forward. Do you have a vet hospital near you? When you take your dog to a vet hospital for major surgeries they are operated on by the teaching vets, not the students, so you know you are getting the very best treatment.

I have been in your position with a couple of dogs (with other costly problems brought about by bad genetics and conformation). This is why we got dog insurance, because of the horrendous costs of these types of problems. I can never turn away, they have to be handled, they are like kids to us.

This is not the Rottweiler's fault... God puts things in our lap sometimes that are not easy.... you just do your best...
 

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Sorry to hear of this, hope the pup sees some improvement. If the breeder isnt testing for HD/ED etc and knows it exists in their lines or the ones they are out crossing to then i guess this is a form of animal cruelty with the emotional and financial costs passed on to someone else.
Real shame the AKC can do nothing, they need a blacklist or something.
 

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Hello,

I just joined this forum per the request of many Rottweiler lovers to share my and my husbands experience and expertise to the world on my love and passion, the Rottweiler. I am the breeder that you are mentioning. Anyone is welcome to come and visit me and my 4 legged children. I am a very choosy breeder and breed the best Rottweiler's I can. I only breed one certain German bloodline that lives longer and has less genetic issues in the line. All my dogs I breed are OFA Hips, Elbows, heart, eyes and patella certified. I am a hobby breeder and own a very large Plant nursery that sells to the major grocery stores, drug stores and Disney just to name a few. My husband is a retired Dog trainer for the German military and has been training dogs since he was in his teens for the military. He is a hobby breeder of the Rottweiler's in Germany since the late 80s and as much a perfectionist in this breed as I am. I do not breed 19 females. I have them listed so everyone can see the parents, grandparents, etc. and if someone purchases a puppy from me and wants to breed then I put that dog on my website too. I am available to answer anyone questions at all times after work hours and I carry my phone with me to answer or receive texts or emails all day and night. I live on a beautiful 55 acre farm and ranch and have employees and staff living on the property to which love the Rottweiler also. They live in their homes also so all my Rottweiler's get more love and attention than most since we work and live on the property. My employees children come to play with the dogs and puppies also. Many of my dogs are service and registered therapy dogs since I have a hearing disability and my doctor prescribed that I need a service dog with me at all times. We even have Beefalos on the property which my dogs naturally know how to herd. My dogs have the best temperament and are very friendly even my IPO III Male. We are here to help train and assist with any questions people may have that own one of our 4 legged children because we love the breed so much and have so much experience with the over 34 years as a breeder.
 

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Hello,

I am the person you are asking about and no I am not a commercial breeder and I do not breed that many litters. In fact I go many months without 1 litter. I am a hobbyist breeder and I am one of the most particular and a perfectionist in the breed. All my breeding Rottweiler are all OFA hips, elbows , eyes, heart , patella certified. They all have the best temperament and when someone comes to visit they can see the many running with each other on our 55 acre farm and ranch. I owned one of the oldest living Rottweiler ever recorded at 15 1/2 years of age and my Husband was the breeder of him in Germany. We still breed that one particular string genetic bloodline and will not breed outside this bloodline. My husband is a retired Dog trainer for the German Military which he started in his teens. We are available day and night to answer many questions people have and are here to help and educate people about our favorite breed. I actually should breed more so people will stop purchasing from the back yard breeders that do not OFA or title their dogs nor care about the bloodline and genetics. Those are the people everyone should not recommend to purchase a puppy from.
 
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